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What's Kramer's Racedar And What's The Color Of Money
Copywriter Craig Garber says Kramer reel he's shown to be racist goes deeper than the N-word because he probably just hates everyone.
Now this could be flawed because after all comedians get heckled all the time. Has Richard's gone off on other ethnic groups when heckled? How about at a lewd Jew or a ribald Italian? If not then perhaps he just has racial anger towards blacks who knows. Perhaps Richard's "Show About N..othing" apology tour is all about not losing those dvd sales? Anyway one way to really prove he's not a racist, besides a guest appearance at an NBA basketball game, is to take a racial tolerance test. I took the Harvard Racial Tolerance test to prove I'm a racist...or Not. It would be simple for Richards to do the same thing. I think if he's serious about being colorblind and not just worried about dvd sales he'd take the test, right? To take it a little further... I wonder how Dan Kennedy, Brain Tracy, Jim Straw or other top notch business mentors we respect would score on these racial tolerance test? People like to deal with those who they feel like them. So these kinds of proof of your racial tolerance could come to be important marketing tools as the US gets more more diverse. You could read more about your favorite Guru's racial tolerance here |
Re: Kramer's crawfishing ...uh oh ...trouble
could be brewing here....
did any one actually see the ENTIRE video ? Kramer had been getting heckled and defaced and defamed by the N's in the audience...and he reacted in words that they would understand ...because they were acting like N's...look it up in the dictionary ...spelled niggar..as in a nignardley fashion... some of you have little or no 'diversity' in your area...I use the computer at the public library at times...and I am a minority in this black area....not a bigot ...a minority ... anyways, sitting at this computer one day , surrounded by blacks...males mainly ....'talking" to each other....EVERY sentence contained a mother-f***ing Nig**r" phrase to EACH other.... I told em ....that I didnt have to listen to that kind of language...paused... and said " if your mom taught you to talk like a mother-f***ing Nig**r, then you should go tell her she did you an injustice....cause people treat YOU like you talk ".... they called me...." a mother-f***ng prick"...offered to walk me to my truck ...which I declined... anyway , security walked me to my truck as they hooted and holllered their slang white phrases at me....reminds me of the old days ...when whites talked like that to blacks.... oh ...the diversity thing...is simply segregation ...not a UNITing course of action ....anyone who lives in America ..or wants to live here...should know how to speak the language....not phonetically .... oh well.... just a little rant and rave from me... hve a good one |
Michael Richards vs. Lenny Bruce
Hi Garth,
Interesting topic! As a Seinfeld fan (and of "Kramer's" antics on that show) this issue caught my eye... Michael Richards says he was heckled and basically lost his temper and as a result, he "screwed up" big time... I was wondering for a while if he was trying to do a "Lenny Bruce"-style act. (For those who don't know, Lenny Bruce was an influential comedian in the 50s and 60s. He'd use "racially charged" words for every race you can imagine - including his own [he was Jewish]. His goal - he said - was to take the "power" away from these words, which would help bring some kind of racial harmony...) However, the key was Lenny Bruce would insult every "race" - including his own. He didn't just pick on one "race" - it's a big difference... (By the way, I tried to listen to Lenny Bruce's act once - but I never really found him funny...) About the "color of money" - I believe business, in general, helps to encourage racial harmony. That's because there is no "color" to money - money is money, no matter what the "race"/religion/gender/age is of the person who gives it to you... So there is pressure for most businesses to be "color-blind" - and to have all "races" as customers... Which is a good thing! We have people of all "races" who post here at Sowpub, and that's one great thing about the internet - often, you can't tell what "race" someone is when you talk to them. That means you get to "see" the person inside before you can make any judgements about their looks... I think it's another thing which helps to break down prejudice... Best wishes, Dien P.S. The "real" Kramer - Kenny Kramer (Larry David's friend who the character "Cosmo Kramer" was loosely based on) - disavows Michael Richards' words. He's also a bit of an entrepreneur, and fascinating in his own right... You can see his web site here - http://www.kennykramer.com |
Re: What's Kramer's Racedar And What's The Color Of Money
Garth,
Thanks for linking to those tests. I took the white/black test. And see a Fundamental Flaw in the test and the supposed Results it provides. And based on those flaws, see the Majority of people that take the test show a preference for whites. The flaws are... 1: The Order in which the photos are first displayed with the words. We learn, not that something is good/bad but which Side to allocate those words AND pictures. As We Think In Pictures, it makes sense we then associate the Good words with Whites. Then, when the sides are changed around - but NOT where the Good/Bad words go, we see delays occur. This gives the "you picked whites and good words quicker than whites and bad words" result. Which is then interpreted as a Preference for whites. 2: Words like Failure are deemed to be Bad words. But what if you think otherwise? Then you need to Pause. As the Pause creates the Preference Result, the result is thus effected by the words chosen. Overall, quite a Useless test. And it Fails to address any Minority Rights which may help create Disdain for a Group of people. Be they of various ethnicities or political affiliations. For instance: I am Against coercing others into your good works. And have said as much Many times on this board. Yet, many Groups operate on that premise - lobby/petition the govt to change things for Their good works. The result, I have disdain for the group. And when Asked in such a way, I will freely admit such disdain. BUT, that doesn't mean I have the same disdain for individuals in that group. My disdain is for the Group and what it represents. This is then Twisted by those with an Agenda to mean a disdain for the individuals in that group. To suggest people take a Tolerance Test to Prove their tolerances, smells of Liberalism to me. And becomes just another Weapon in the push for More disunity and more rights to minority groups. Won't take the test? Must be a racist then. You cannot Mandate tolerance. Even when people are equal in as many regards as you can think of, THEY will find ways to segregate themselves. My take? Let 'em. And... Get over it. There are plenty of things in this world you might not like. Words like: niggar, spick, mick, spook, coon, spear chucker, honky, homes, homo, poof, lesso, dike, shirt lifter, girls blouse, girl (for a guy), wuss, fag, tree hugger, moon bat, whinging pom, dumb pollack, wog, wop, spade, grease ball, right wing nut job, dummycrat, red neck, chink, ching, nip, slap, slope, towel head, crout, gerry, white trash, frog, and so on and so forth. So Richards said Niggar. Certainly no need to make an International Scene about it (thanks, media). Hey, no-one gave a rat's when Dave Allen used to lay it on thick on the Catholics (cattle ticks). Maybe we should do what some Muslims did... RIOT if we see a cartoon we don't like. Man, people just need to turn down their Sensitivity Meters and get on with their life instead of worrying about what some comedian said. Michael Ross |
Re: Russell Peters
Haven't seen Lenny Bruce's act but if you want to see a really really funny act by a comedian making fun of all the races out there - check out Russell Peters.
He is of Indian desent (as in Asian Indian) - born in Canada. His act is a riot. He has a DVD out and has come on Comedy Central too. (He doesn't make fun of various religions - just various countries and races.) (His videos are available on youtube - but I think they are pirated... not sure.) |
"Insult"-humor and business...
Hi Michael,
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(For those who don't know of Dave Allen, he was an Irish comedian who for many years had a hit British TV show, which alternated between his "stand up" [or in his case, sit down]-style jokes - which were usually in the form of short stories - and funny sketches...) By the way, this reminds me of something I think I read in one of Elmer Wheeler's books. (He wrote "Tested Sentences That Sell" - and coined the phrase "Don't sell the sizzle, sell the steak" - but I think this was in one of his other books, maybe a book on public speaking... I have a whole collection of Elmer Wheeler books...) Elmer Wheeler said, if you want to use humor in a sale - use self-deprecating humor. That's because people often don't take kindly to being ridiculed! And ridiculing other people (even if it's not the customer) could make you look "nasty" and turn people off too... But if you ridicule yourself, nobody has a problem with that! So - at least - you won't turn off your prospect (since humor - as part of a business or sale - can backfire if you lose customers who feel insulted)... - Dien Rice (P.S. By the way... Notice how if you re-arrange the last 2 letters of my first name, it spells "Dine" - which means "eat"? And my surname is "Rice"! No wonder it's so hard for me to lose weight! ;) ) |
Re: Russell Peters
Hi Ankesh,
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Cheers, Dien |
Re: What's Kramer's Racedar And What's The Color Of Money
Interesting thread, if a bit overdone, as most he said/she said things are in the media. Get a life, folks!
Dien, I believe you inadvertently reversed the quote. I was under the impression that it was "Don't sell the steak, sell the sizzle". The quote has been used a lot in sales and copy writing to get folks away from the 'this then that' about the product instead of appealing to the emotional triggers that get people to buy. Most tests that purport to ferret out people's hidden agenda's regarding race and discrimination are, in themselves, discriminatory. The reason is that most people, at some point in their lives, have been exposed (usually at a very young age) to some sort of prejudicial statements. These statements are often absorbed without conscious thought into one's basic pattern. Later, as adults, we can (and most do) modify the statements to reflect their REAL feelings and the manifestations about others. When one is under severe pressure, and being mercilessly heckled is surely stressful, these underlying statements often surface, much to the distress and regret of the individual. All the more so if it flies in the face of their true feelings and practices. For the media, and anyone else, to accept such outbursts as authentic expressions of the self, is done only for the self-serving of the media or the individual who over-reacts. We're all individuals, with individual backgrounds that are often not of our own choosing. Sometimes these backgrounds conflict with the reality folks actually live. It behooves each of us to cut some slack for an occasional lapse under duress as, one day, the shoe may be on the other foot. Relax! There are far more critical instances than a mere mention of a word. If you want to get worked up about things, how about all those suffering folks in Africa that don't even have a decent place to lay down and die when they starve to death? Now, that's worth getting irate about! It's all a matter of perspective. Sandi Bowman |
Re: What's Kramer's Racedar And What's The Color Of Money
Seems like a lot of folks pretty are bad mouthing the test.
I imagine in the words of Hannity he might say" it's a plot by Harvard libs to expose white guilt" and that idea is certainly plausible but not likely I think. And i can't help but wonder if that attitude developed before or after taking the test... and seeing the results. Anyway, Yes Richards got heckled by some black guys and if they heckled him by means of racial slurs then maybe we can see why he came back at them in the same manner but as far as I know Richards is not saying that. Here's some other takes: If Richards was actually funny at what he did then we would've never heard about what he did. It seems you get away with racial humor as long as you're funny, i.e. Richard Pryor and Dice Man to a much lesser extent. I've heard Lenny Bruce and he could nail an audience member with sharp wit. I also believe what one comedian from Dien's link said about Richards. He was trying to imitate Lenny Bruce and something went horribly wrong. If you are in business think about this. It might be useful really prove you are not prejudice by more than the fact you gave money to the United Negro College Fund or produce your brochures in spanish. In an earlier post I mentioned how a researcher found that hispanics are extremely responsive to direct mail. You might gain an advantage, if you're non hispanic, by intergrating in some way the scientific proof of non-prejudice this test gives you into your marketing materials. Bottom line people want to do business with people that they think (truly) like them. So for example you know how at the bottom of many brochures and what not it might say... The Rainbow Company is an equal opportunity employer. Me too marketing isn't it? What if you could say: The Rainbow Company is an equal opportunity employer. All our senior executives have undergone 30 hours of anti-discriminatory education. All of our senior executives are proven to be believe in a colorblind society as certified by the Harvard Racial Tolerance test Pretty powerful statement that you mean business, don't you think? Now suppose that hispanic direct mail customer reads a statement like that versus the first one? Who do you think they'll want to do business with first? So take the test if you pass it go to this color of money site and others to let people know you're not (negatively) prejudice. |
Re: What's Kramer's Racedar And What's The Color Of Money
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Thanks Sandi! - Dien |
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