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Old June 16, 2003, 07:26 PM
Alexander, HypnoticProfit.com
 
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Default Family Re: I can speak from experience...

Karol, congratulations - glad to see your family doing well!

When you have a family whose well-being (even life and death) depends on you, nothing is going to stop you from doing everything you can to give them your best. I'm sure your parents felt that in their hearts when they migrated ...

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  #2  
Old June 16, 2003, 08:47 PM
Michael Ross (Aust, Qld)
 
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Default You mentioned it without realizing it...

Karol:

Without realizing it, you have mentioned (more than once) what "it" is.

I know you don't realize it because you brushed by it so quickly and concentrated on the baby-steps thing.

The nature of being a migrant means they have the advantage. It is inherent to migrants. They have no choice. The advantage is thrust upon them whether they like it or not.

To see it you have to put yourself in the shoes of a migrant. What do they have and what don't they have, compared to a natural born citizen?

Think... if you were going to move to and live in another country... what is stopping you from doing that? What would you arrive with or without - and we're not just talking material possessions.

Michael Ross
  #3  
Old June 17, 2003, 02:48 AM
Karol Gajda
 
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Default hmmm....

> To see it you have to put yourself in the
> shoes of a migrant. What do they have and
> what don't they have, compared to a natural
> born citizen?

Those shoes are already technically on my feet. :)

Each situation is different and there's no right or wrong answer. I know you're looking for a specific answer there just isn't one.

Maybe I'm just missing the whole point. That could very well be the case.

I'm interesting in hearing the "correct" answer none-the-less.

Don't keep us in suspense!

Karol
  #4  
Old June 17, 2003, 03:30 AM
Michael Ross (Aust, Qld)
 
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Default If the shoe fits...

> Those shoes are already technically on my
> feet. :)

Technically, may be. However, being one year old isn't quite the same as an adult who makes the move.

So your parents really have those shoes on.

The thing is... you mentioned it on your post. It's there to be seen. It was implied and even stated outright. For those to see.

> Each situation is different and there's no
> right or wrong answer. I know you're looking
> for a specific answer there just isn't one.

I would not say there was one thing if it did not apply universally. It applies to ALL migrants. Just because you can't quite see it at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does. And whenthe answer is revealed you will see it clearly.

> Maybe I'm just missing the whole point. That
> could very well be the case.

Yep. That's it.

> I'm interesting in hearing the
> "correct" answer none-the-less.

> Don't keep us in suspense!

Sorry... we have gone this far I have to keep at it until someone "gets it."

Michael Ross
  #5  
Old June 17, 2003, 05:52 AM
Rooster
 
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Default Re: If the shoe fits...

Hello: I think the key phrase is here:
"He took a minimum wage factory job in the US because it's all he could get."...In other words he "settled" for what he could get and made the most of it...Just this old man's take...

Rooster
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Technically, may be. However, being one year
> old isn't quite the same as an adult who
> makes the move.

> So your parents really have those shoes on.

> The thing is... you mentioned it on your
> post. It's there to be seen. It was implied
> and even stated outright. For those to see.

> I would not say there was one thing if it
> did not apply universally. It applies to ALL
> migrants. Just because you can't quite see
> it at the moment doesn't mean it doesn't
> exist. It does. And whenthe answer is
> revealed you will see it clearly.

> Yep. That's it.

> Sorry... we have gone this far I have to
> keep at it until someone "gets
> it."

> Michael Ross




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  #6  
Old June 17, 2003, 06:16 AM
Michael Ross (Aust, Qld)
 
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Default Settling... in more ways than one

> Hello: I think the key phrase is here:
> "He took a minimum wage factory job in
> the US because it's all he could
> get."...In other words he
> "settled" for what he could get
> and made the most of it...

They arrive in a new country to settle and settle for any job - boom boom. :o)

While often true, there are many other people who do whatever work they can get. Maybe they don't have a piece of paper for something better (whatever "better" means). Maybe they just like doing that kind of work - hands on people as opposed to brains on people. Maybe they prefer jobs without much responsibility. But they still don't have the advantage the migrant has.

I like your approach though. You are at least paying attention to what I wrote... that Karol mentioned it in his post without realizing it. It is stated clearly in his post.

If everyone just concentrated on Karol's post someone would surely get it.

Michael Ross
  #7  
Old June 17, 2003, 10:51 AM
Tam
 
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Default Are you looking for...

Hi Micheal -

while I have my own theories, are you looking for "lack of debt" - they live within their means? And in conjunction with that, have a very different standard of what it is to be successful - don't have the "keep up with the Jones's mentality. Can get by with much less?

Tam
  #8  
Old June 18, 2003, 12:01 AM
Michael Ross (Aust, Qld)
 
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Default What I'm looking for...

> Hi Micheal -

> while I have my own theories,

I'd like to hear your own theories. Throw them out for all of us to see. Each "reason" is another ingredient for the info-soup.

are you
> looking for "lack of debt" - they
> live within their means? And in conjunction
> with that, have a very different standard of
> what it is to be successful - don't have the
> "keep up with the Jones's mentality.
> Can get by with much less?

That's a good answer. Why is that an advantage?

Michael Ross
  #9  
Old June 18, 2003, 12:39 PM
Tam
 
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Default You asked for it

Hi Michael,

> I'd like to hear your own theories. Throw
> them out for all of us to see. Each
> "reason" is another ingredient for
> the info-soup.

Okay, you asked for it so if I ramble - you're taking the blame.

Having nothing (especially debt) can be very liberating. Think about it, many imigrants come from extremely poor countries looking for a better life and don't take for granted all that we do. Instead of spending their earnings to pay debt(for items that could be considered luxeries) or keep up with the Joneses, they invest in themselves and the basics. There are so many things people think they need simply because the have always had it or becuase someone else has it.

Here's an example of the difference. A kid moves out of his parents home to live on his own. He gets cable, an entertainment center, new car, eats out, etc. and goes into debt - why? Because that is what his parents did but what he doesn't consider that either they are carrying a lot of debt (and that money could be spent elsewhere) or that they slowly worked up to the point where they were able to afford the extras. Then he sees other people have things and he thinks he needs them to.

An imigrant comes to this country with nothing (and usually not having had all these extras) and worries about the basics. He then invests in himself.

Tam


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  #10  
Old June 16, 2003, 07:55 PM
Philip
 
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Default Burnt their boats

and (often if not usually) can't go back?

So they have to succeed?

That close, Michael?

Philip Langley
 


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