Hi all, new here!

Originally Posted by Eva

Well, in regards to bob's latest wso, well worth the 10 bucks. As far as labeling it being a print broker, I disagree. When it comes to the software needed (Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign), that can be purchased with a student discount at $319, or rent it at $49 a month which of course is a biz expense.

There is also a free 30 day trial.

Eva

Evidently I am wrong about it being a print broker wso. Would you care to tell us what it is, again w/o giving away Bob's wso.

You don't have to say a word but you said you had it and it isn't about being a print broker. That certainly is the overtone on his wso.

Oh well, what difference does it make? In 50 years I'll be dead anyway...

Originally Posted by sandalwood

Evidently I am wrong about it being a print broker wso. Would you care to tell us what it is, again w/o giving away Bob's wso.

You don't have to say a word but you said you had it and it isn't about being a print broker. That certainly is the overtone on his wso.

Oh well, what difference does it make? In 50 years I'll be dead anyway...

Call it whatever you please. For the 10 bucks he is asking to open your eyes to the possibilities in the "print" biz, spend it and learn. Nothing revolutionary but he does share his resources to outsourcers and printing companies and tips and ideas on how to profit, what to charge, throw in the design tutorials plus his own private forum and there you go. Well worth it in my opinion,

Eva

Originally Posted by Eva

Call it whatever you please. For the 10 bucks he is asking to open your eyes to the possibilities in the "print" biz, spend it and learn. Nothing revolutionary but he does share his resources to outsourcers and printing companies and tips and ideas on how to profit, what to charge, throw in the design tutorials plus his own private forum and there you go. Well worth it in my opinion,

Eva

I certainly appreciate your answer. I don't believe the 10 bucks is the issue. It might be to you, don't know. I was merely asking what the thrust of his program was if it isn't print brokering.

To be honest, don't even care. Bob always over delivers so I know his program is worth 13X more than what he asked.

Oh, welcome to the forum. Hope you enjoy the learning experience.

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Originally Posted by Adman

Bob Ross has conjured up a whole lot of interest in......in....in a "Direct Sales" project on a Forum where most of the viewers have never sold anything in their lives....especially Advertising!

UNbelievable! Who wouda known.

My problem with a "Direct Mail" project like this, besides the inexperience of those folks getting involved (Maybe it's the "supposed"...."hoped for"...$5,000 Profit being hung out like a carrot).....is;

The cost is around $2,500 for 10,000 Cards to be Designed, Printed and Mailed. I've been in the Direct Sales biz for a long time and I NEVER start a project that going to cost me OVER $1,000! Because....if I don't get enough paying clients....I have to refund the money they paid.

One of my Ad Projects is a 8 1/2 by 11 Fridge Magnet (it has "Important Phone Numbers at the top....a 12 mo Calendar and 4 Columns wide by 6 Rows down for a total of 24 Ad Spaces)

These Mags cost me $2 ea to be printed and mailed. I print and mail 150/mo.

Guess to whom I mail these Informative Fridge Mags (with 3 Reasons to keep them ON the fridge).....New Movers! People who have moved recently.

And....guess what kind of Advertisers I start contacting? "New Businesses" I get from my City Hall and County Courthouse.

I commit my advertisers to 3 months.....150 mailed each month. I print up 450 magnets. My cost is $2 x 450 = $900.

I charge $150 one-time set up and $450 (3 mos in advance) for a total of $600!....to have an EXCLUSIVE AD on the Refrigerators of 450 New Movers for th next 12 months!

$600 x 20 = $12,000 less $900

Don Alm....Sales Guy

Don,

You said:

"I NEVER start a project that going to cost me OVER $1,000!"

Makes 100% complete sense. In my research I found that NV (where I live) offers a fantastic business opportunity via their statutes. The creators must by law be Nevadans and be at least three. The members don't have to be Nevadans.

The benefits are huge and only the members can take advantage of the benefits. For example, it can make loans without any special licenses. Think about that for a minute. It can be a venture capital organization without any special licenses or it can own a movie studio. In other words, the org and its members (only) can do any thing that is legal.

Oh yeah, what is NV known for? Yep, can do that too.

Anyway, my first question is how would you price an annual membership being a $1000 is your limit? Second question, would anyone anywhere in the world be willing to become a member knowing just the above info?

No, I haven't done anything with it yet other than create a name. I used another statute to create another business.

I'm just putting this out on the table especially since I've read some of the latest WSOs. Recycled horse crap but who am I to say... I guarantee this would be the only ever unique product offered on any forum.

Again, I'm just tossing this out for general consumption. I like this forum and its inhabitants. My "secret" company could be the only greatest idea ever presented to the masses and this forum's members might be the beneficiaries.

Have a great day.

Originally Posted by sandalwood

In my research I found that NV (where I live) offers a fantastic business opportunity via their statutes. The creators must by law be Nevadans and be at least three. The members don't have to be Nevadans.

Six weeks of residency makes anyone a Nevadan.

The benefits are huge and only the members can take advantage of the benefits. For example, it can make loans without any special licenses. Think about that for a minute. It can be a venture capital organization without any special licenses or it can own a movie studio. In other words, the org and its members (only) can do any thing that is legal.

What is it that keeps me, an alien, from doing anything legal in Nevada?

I can make a loan in Nevada, and never set foot in the state.
Same for being a venture capital organization.

All legal.

New Mexico law specifically says that no group or class shall be granted any special privileges. Then it turns right around and creates a special class called REALTORS, and grants them special privileges by license.

Your state laws, as well as federal laws, are all BS. They are in place to give you something to hang a hope on. Ohhhh the law says THIS, therefore I can do THAT. Bzzzzzzzz. Wrong.

All states, as well as federal are not governed by law. In every case it's a matter of "Public Policy". Try to get a definition of public policy from somebody who cares.
.....deleted a rant here...

Anyway, my point is that if you were offering this special deal based on your residency in Nevada, I'd say no thanks. You may mean well, but I would suspect a scam.
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Originally Posted by Bozo

Six weeks of residency makes anyone a Nevadan.



What is it that keeps me, an alien, from doing anything legal in Nevada?

I can make a loan in Nevada, and never set foot in the state.
Same for being a venture capital organization.

All legal.

New Mexico law specifically says that no group or class shall be granted any special privileges. Then it turns right around and creates a special class called REALTORS, and grants them special privileges by license.

Your state laws, as well as federal laws, are all BS. They are in place to give you something to hang a hope on. Ohhhh the law says THIS, therefore I can do THAT. Bzzzzzzzz. Wrong.

All states, as well as federal are not governed by law. In every case it's a matter of "Public Policy". Try to get a definition of public policy from somebody who cares.
.....deleted a rant here...

Anyway, my point is that if you were offering this special deal based on your residency in Nevada, I'd say no thanks. You may mean well, but I would suspect a scam.
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Boz,

You are 100% correct about public policy. Unfortunately 99.9% of Americans don't have a clue. I'm no longer into trying to explain it to anybody as it is far too easy to say what I said in my post. People understand that. Don't really give a hoot and holler what anyone thinks cuz I just pull out the statute and show it to them in black and white. Shuts everybody up.

As for you making loans, well, could be and could not be. That would depend on what a black robed terrorist would say if you were sued in this State. Sorry to burst any bubbles but the sheeple run straight to the government courts for redress and guess who they drag along.

Regardless, have a great day and remember if they gave people a license for murder it too would be legal. Got to love those politicians...

I have been selling Bob Ross cards in So. Cal. for a few months. I like Don's idea MUCH better for a couple of reasons.

1. The success for his cards is somewhat area-sensitive. For example, he sells ads at a price that gives him $5000 profit per card. In my area, there are a LOT of avenues for the advertising dollar so getting a company to pay $500 or more for a one-shot mailing is a struggle. The last few advertisers are going to get a discount just so you can get the card out.

2. Again, it depends on your area. If consumers in a given area are bombarded by independent advertising the response for your customers will not be anything phenomenal.

3. This gets you back to square one, calling on a lot of customers to sell a $500 ad. That is a lot of work for the profit you can make on a card. We never came near $5000 profit.

In some areas I have lived it would be a phenomenal fit because there is hardly any advertising other than the newspaper, nickel papers and a couple of senior publications. In those areas it would most likely be a goldmine because you would be the only game in town.

The $1,000 limit makes a lot of sense. BTW, the raw cost for mailing, printing etc. is right around $3,000.

Not saying it is a bad idea because it is actually very good. I would just pick my area a little more carefully.

Originally Posted by Adman

Bob Ross has conjured up a whole lot of interest in......in....in a "Direct Sales" project on a Forum where most of the viewers have never sold anything in their lives....especially Advertising!

UNbelievable! Who wouda known.

My problem with a "Direct Mail" project like this, besides the inexperience of those folks getting involved (Maybe it's the "supposed"...."hoped for"...$5,000 Profit being hung out like a carrot).....is;

The cost is around $2,500 for 10,000 Cards to be Designed, Printed and Mailed. I've been in the Direct Sales biz for a long time and I NEVER start a project that going to cost me OVER $1,000! Because....if I don't get enough paying clients....I have to refund the money they paid.

One of my Ad Projects is a 8 1/2 by 11 Fridge Magnet (it has "Important Phone Numbers at the top....a 12 mo Calendar and 4 Columns wide by 6 Rows down for a total of 24 Ad Spaces)

These Mags cost me $2 ea to be printed and mailed. I print and mail 150/mo.

Guess to whom I mail these Informative Fridge Mags (with 3 Reasons to keep them ON the fridge).....New Movers! People who have moved recently.

And....guess what kind of Advertisers I start contacting? "New Businesses" I get from my City Hall and County Courthouse.

I commit my advertisers to 3 months.....150 mailed each month. I print up 450 magnets. My cost is $2 x 450 = $900.

I charge $150 one-time set up and $450 (3 mos in advance) for a total of $600!....to have an EXCLUSIVE AD on the Refrigerators of 450 New Movers for th next 12 months!

$600 x 20 = $12,000 less $900

Don Alm....Sales Guy

Originally Posted by Phil

Let me tell you a Story about a Starving Musician who became a Successful Print Broker...

Not Me! ... But Google, Company and Amazing Print's PR, Public Relations, Social Media, Marketing and Seo Smart(s) & Exposure! ...

Quick Food for Thought on the {Printing Brokering business} and Misc. other Key word related phrases & ideas... Worth Digging and Googling more into...
http://www.amazingprint.com/Portals/...hite_paper.pdf
http://www.google.com/search?q=print...OLiALhra 2tBQ

All the best...

Phil

Now, following your links, oh man, you surely know how to stir things up. My thinking is now altered forever, lol!!!

Eva

Originally Posted by Eva

Thank you guys for your responses. As far as gotprint goes, was actually one the phone with them yesterday. Their booklets are way too big and they will only do the listed sizes. Looked at clubcards but they will only print on card stock.

Best for small runs would be to purchase a heavy duty paper trimmer or Staples will make cuts for $2 and cut 250 sheets or if heavier 200 sheets for the same amount per cut, then assemble myself.

Would also need a specialized stapler, no biggie.

Thanks Phil for all the links, really am not into bartering, like to keep it simple. Will read through all of Paulette's, surely will find some gems hidden in there that will work for me.

I'd like to make my booklets stand out. I will put in the extra effort to include a coverstock for each booklet. I just recently purchased the whole Master Collection from Adobe and I am in the process of learning InDesign and Illustrator.

There's a new wso coming out on 3/21 from bob ross in the WF in regards how to make money with direct mail and other printed pieces. I am bringing this up, not because I am getting any financial benefit from it but simply because I belive it is going to be worth the $9.71 the wso is priced at initially and if you buy it within the first 24 hours, you will get the OTO for free. That is the one that is a tutorial on how to use Illustrator to design your own stuff.

The whole purpose of the booklet to me is two-fold, a foot in the door while making some money and then take it from there to sell them other stuff.

Thanks again, Eva

Obviously, I'm late to this party.

Anyway, I decided I liked this idea so much I created one of these 16-page booklets as my business card. I have a cover with a title and subhead and a simple graphic. I have as the back cover the basic "business card" info. Inside pages include:

~~What's Inside (TOC)

~~A Note From Me To My Reader (introduction)

~~Several pages that introduce and briefly describe services I offer

~~What Clients Are Saying (2 pages of testimonials on the page 8-9 "center spread")

~~Profitable Resources (links to my FREE Report squeeze pages)

~~And finally, a call-to-action for anyone who wants me to create, print and assemble a similar booklet for them!

I started cutting these myself on my $20 paper trimmer. Worked OK, but not precise enough. Went to Staples and, yes, $4 to cut 250 pieces. But they wanted $.29 each to assemble (not including paper/printing; I print my own).

So, bought a $15 Staples One Touch stapler. Turns out it is the EXACT size for saddle stitching these booklets!

I've passed a few of these around and the response has been pretty enthusiastic. At the very least, they're struck by its uniqueness as a business card. One guy expressed interest in my designing one for his business (magician and children's entertainer). And I just started handing these out 4 days ago.

I have a pretty slick and efficient color laser printer. Using Staples 32 lb. laser gloss paper, I can make these for a hard cost of about ten cents each or less.

Also planning to head out next week and make a few calls to see if I can drum up some interest in these.

One print broker I spoke to said he can't get any of his printers to do a booklet smaller than 4x6. Another thinks she can find someone. I'll be interested to find out if she can find a source and what the charge will be. I don't mind making these myself on a small scale, but I'd rather do big numbers and outsource that part of it.

Just curious, Eva, have you been able to find any clients to do these for?