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Ankesh,

Thanks for trying to elucidate what you Mean.

"America wasn't the first democracy. But whoever believes that it is the first democracy has no historical perspective."

YOU had better check your Facts. America is NOT a democracy. And it Never was - by America I mean the USA. What it is, is, a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC whose Citizens are protected by written Laws - regardless of what the Mob wants.

Democracy is Mob Rules. Plain and simple. If You think the USA is a Democracy you, like the tens of millions of Americans, have bought into it, because of its incessant repeating by the Puppet Leaders.

Onward.

Fair?

I am uttering a bunch of expletives under my breath.

Fair indeed.

ANY time someone says something about Fair, you are listening to talk about taking from the productive and giving to the non productive.

There is NOTHING fair in taking from one person Against Their Will via some form of Coercion and then Giving the fruits of that theft to someone (anyone) else.

Whenever you hear anyone talk about Equal you can be sure you're going to suffer a Great INEQUALITY as someone receives more favoritism than someone else. Again, it's usually the Productive getting screwed over.

Both words - fair and equal - are standards from the bleeding heart liberals. Used to steal from the productive to give to the non productive, used to help foister liberal Projects that couldn't stand on their own without the so-called Fairness / Equality deals.

I suggest you read - and think about - the story of Harrison Bergeron which can be seen here http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html because THAT is what all the Affirmative Action and Forced Diversity programs and other liberal equality BS leads to.

And frankly, I am fed up with it all.

I suggest you also read The Fountainhead. And you'll see how the Groups that Wesley Mooch creates to undermine true talent and hold aloft talentless drivel as something to aspire to, is reflected in our world today.

Read the Wikipedia Page about that "kissed a girl" singer. Then scratch your head how people could make a big deal out of a nobody without a track record of anything. Wool over eyes. While people who can actually write lyrics and music and create vocal melodies and actual music are Ignored. Ignored in favor of meaningless sex up nobodies who can't sing, dance, act, write music or lyrics or anything.

People are not now, nor have they ever been Equal. People have varying talents and abilities. You cannot make them equal. And taking from one to help Equal the other is not fair.

Michael Ross

[Ankesh]

>And taking from one to help Equal the other is not fair.

Yes that is not fair. Fairness is the opposite of equality.

Not sure how I couldn't convey that.

That's an interesting viewpoint -- I'll have to ponder that one for a while.

Somehow I think America stands more for fairness, than equality, perhaps.

We would sooner let a murderer go free, than to convict him based on evidence that was gathered illegally, for instance. That is not the case in other counties -- the UK, for example.

-- TW

Fairness, fair, equal, equality and any variation on those words and their USE, indicates someone is about to get screwed over in Favor of someone else.

A Construction Site Foreman is walking around with a Subby Supervisor pointing out things that need to be re-done. The Supervisor is bemoaning that "it's not fair."

Fair?

According to Whom?

Is it fair that the Foreman should pay to have work finished Correctly when the Supervisor's Crew didn't get it right the first time?

Is it fair the Supervisor's Crew should work for free fixing something that had been let go already?

I leave you to decide for yourself.

It's the USE of the words that is the give away.

The words Fair and Equal are used by those to Justify their infringement upon your property rights.

The Oz Govt Leader - who strangely is called Primeminister Rudd (Kevin Rudd) by the media while the former leader while in power was referred to as Mr Howard by the media and not Primeminister Howard - has said he will make a tax system that is Fair To All, and other things that are Fair to all as well. He's used terms like Fairer tool.

Politicians using such words and others words and terms like The Greater Good, the good of all, common good and so on, should send off ALARM BELLS. Because it means more govt restrictions, controls, and screwing over of people.

In Govt, Fair and Equal are one and the same. It is deemed Fair to screw over people to Force Equality (which is really inequality) onto people.

Equal Rights (gay rights, black rights, women's rights, etc.) should be renamed Special Rights For Some.

In truth, we Should start with Individual Rights. But the govt cannot do that otherwise it would be seen that all those Special Rights are to the detriment of other individuals.

There is Right. There is wrong. Fairness (the use of the word to describe something) is subjective depending on who is using it - as things stand - and it is currently used to screw over someone in favor of someone else.

Michael Ross