The end of Donald Trump as a result of the debate?

[Dien Rice]

Originally Posted by SteveSki

The media took aim at Trump from the start by asking for
a show of hands from anyone who would not support the
eventual nominee or rule out running as an independent.

Hi Steve,

I agree with you...

I read an article (I didn't save it) where a journalist pointed out everything Trump did "wrong" in the debate...

When you go through his list, he essentially wanted Trump to be like every other politician! ...And do what every other politician does!

Of course, it's because Trump is not like "every other politician" that he's the frontrunner right now!

I just had to roll my eyes while reading the article, and suppress my gag reflex... (Because the journalist clearly had no clue why Trump is popular...!)

Denny Hatch got it right... On his Twitter account, he wrote...

"Trump tonight: Policies & issues bore hell out of voters. FDR, HST, Ike, JFK talked generalities & we voted for the guy we believed in."

Denny also wrote a great, short, article... On how Donald Trump is succeeding by running as a kind of "un-politician"... And tapping into people's hatred of politicians!

http://www.targetmarketingmag.com/ar...onald-selling/

Donald Trump is a kind of business and marketing genius... And he's showing he has a knack of bringing that to his political run, too...

Best wishes,

Dien

Here's another bomb - Megyn Kelly. She's the darling of Fox News and is a very smart person. However, either planned or not, she gave Trump some more fuel for his engine.

He was disinvited from the RedState conservative gala and Kelly was invited in his place. Couldn't have worked out better for him. More free publicity and a spotlight on the RS crowd.

Whoever is running his campaign is proving to be a master.

This article at: http://www.wired.com/2015/08/googles...al-presidency/ is about a study that shows how peoples perceptions and opinions about a political candidate can be shaped. It shows that voters are 48% more likely to vote for a person if the results/news served up first was positive.

I suspect the media elite already know and use this covert persuasion tactic and they don't like Trump because he is trying to use his wealth and celebrity status to buy the presidency. That's the opposite of modern politicians who are bought and paid for.

Republicans or Democrats are two heads on the same snake. Both are members of the same mafia. Unfortunately, the public is brainwashed and divided into straight party lines so a Independent candidate has no chance of winning.

Bernie Sanders was always a Independent but he knows he doesn't stand a chance unless he runs as a democrat. So he switched parties.

Trump has switch parties several times in order to buy influence. My father was an Independent but he switched back and forth between being a republican and democrat during his lifetime in order to stayed employed.

He had a lot of friends in politics and was well liked by them all. But whenever the power sifted between parties he would be asked to change parties which kept him employed while those who refused to do so got canned.

He often told me that if he decided to run for office he would win by pointing to all of his opponents and saying.... Ladies and gentlemen... all politicians are corrupt. Of course they will all deny it, will act offended and will just lie about their honesty. I on the other hand will only lie half as much as them and only still half as much money from the tax payers so you'll get a far better deal by voting for me.

That seems to also be the Donald's strategy. It's hilarious how Trump gets so much free publicity from the media elite. What a circus....

Just like the Romans.... give the public bread and circus... keep them fed and entertained while the politicians fleece them for all the taxes they can while the empire crumbles.

Steve,

You write as if you moved back to the land of the free and home of the brave - well, what used to be the lotf and hotb.

It is even worse here than you'd expect. Today we can be stopped on the street, put in jail and never be told the charges for example. A prosecutor can withhold exculpatory evidence and never be charged with a crime.

I could go on for pages, all verified, simply do a google search, but why? It isn't getting any better and won't. Romney was wrong btw. It isn't 47% of the people who are dependent on government it is closer to 52%. That's one reason I say we are totally screwed.

As for your study, while I didn't read it, I bet its foundation was work done by Ivy Lee and other great propaganda minds of the 1920s. These guys were geniuses when it came to knowing humans. They figured it out before computers and high priced spin doctors.

Thanks for your input.

Originally Posted by SteveSki

This article at: http://www.wired.com/2015/08/googles...al-presidency/ is about a study that shows how peoples perceptions and opinions about a political candidate can be shaped. It shows that voters are 48% more likely to vote for a person if the results/news served up first was positive.

I suspect the media elite already know and use this covert persuasion tactic and they don't like Trump because he is trying to use his wealth and celebrity status to buy the presidency. That's the opposite of modern politicians who are bought and paid for.

Republicans or Democrats are two heads on the same snake. Both are members of the same mafia. Unfortunately, the public is brainwashed and divided into straight party lines so a Independent candidate has no chance of winning.

Bernie Sanders was always a Independent but he knows he doesn't stand a chance unless he runs as a democrat. So he switched parties.

Trump has switch parties several times in order to buy influence. My father was an Independent but he switched back and forth between being a republican and democrat during his lifetime in order to stayed employed.

He had a lot of friends in politics and was well liked by them all. But whenever the power sifted between parties he would be asked to change parties which kept him employed while those who refused to do so got canned.

He often told me that if he decided to run for office he would win by pointing to all of his opponents and saying.... Ladies and gentlemen... all politicians are corrupt. Of course they will all deny it, will act offended and will just lie about their honesty. I on the other hand will only lie half as much as them and only still half as much money from the tax payers so you'll get a far better deal by voting for me.

That seems to also be the Donald's strategy. It's hilarious how Trump gets so much free publicity from the media elite. What a circus....

Just like the Romans.... give the public bread and circus... keep them fed and entertained while the politicians fleece them for all the taxes they can while the empire crumbles.

Originally Posted by sandalwood

Steve,

You write as if you moved back to the land of the free and home of the brave - well, what used to be the lotf and hotb.

It is even worse here than you'd expect. Today we can be stopped on the street, put in jail and never be told the charges for example. A prosecutor can withhold exculpatory evidence and never be charged with a crime.

I could go on for pages, all verified, simply do a google search, but why? It isn't getting any better and won't. Romney was wrong btw. It isn't 47% of the people who are dependent on government it is closer to 52%. That's one reason I say we are totally screwed.

As for your study, while I didn't read it, I bet its foundation was work done by Ivy Lee and other great propaganda minds of the 1920s. These guys were geniuses when it came to knowing humans. They figured it out before computers and high priced spin doctors.

Thanks for your input.

Hi Tom, You forgot to mention that just catching a flight can result in being sexually groped both pre-flight and after. Friends from back home tell me how much life back in the States has changed over the last decade.

I'd like to see Trump as president and Dr Ben Carson as vice president. Carly Fiorina blew her chances of Trump picking her as his VP. Ted Cruz is ok, but he's a bit to religious for my taste. I don't mind spiritual orientated people but religious extremists are scary because they'll kill you if you don't agree with their views.

And the only republicans the media seem like can't win.

Cheers,
Steve

Steve,

I also didn't mention civil asset forfeiture and structuring. Both exist in OZ but are not enforced to the degree the (US) police mafia use them. Google civil asset forfeiture and you'll find some egregious examples of US police stealing the money of small business people and children.

Yessir, land of the free. What a joke we've become.

Just my 2¢...

Originally Posted by SteveSki

Hi Tom, You forgot to mention that just catching a flight can result in being sexually groped both pre-flight and after. Friends from back home tell me how much life back in the States has changed over the last decade.

I'd like to see Trump as president and Dr Ben Carson as vice president. Carly Fiorina blew her chances of Trump picking her as his VP. Ted Cruz is ok, but he's a bit to religious for my taste. I don't mind spiritual orientated people but religious extremists are scary because they'll kill you if you don't agree with their views.

And the only republicans the media seem like can't win.

Cheers,
Steve

[Dien Rice]

Originally Posted by SteveSki

This article at: http://www.wired.com/2015/08/googles...al-presidency/ is about a study that shows how peoples perceptions and opinions about a political candidate can be shaped. It shows that voters are 48% more likely to vote for a person if the results/news served up first was positive.

I suspect the media elite already know and use this covert persuasion tactic and they don't like Trump because he is trying to use his wealth and celebrity status to buy the presidency. That's the opposite of modern politicians who are bought and paid for.

Hi Steve,

I think I agree with everything you said!

I think there's a lot of corruption in politics (on both sides)... and a lot of "hidden agendas"...

By the way, it's interesting that in the first poll after the debate, Donald Trump increased his lead...

http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/look-whos...er-gop-debate/

Best wishes,

Dien

I found this Fiorina article yesterday:

​http://www.examiner.com/article/fior...t-civilization

I guess those of us of European heritage haven't done squat in economics, math, religion, etc. I wonder how well the Aussies would receive this kind of gibberish???

And, this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-pakista...104727509.html

shows us the problems inherent in every culture. Unfortunately for the children in Pakistan, they carry an additional burden: religion.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if even one politician had a clear plan to "solve" this kind of injustice???

Not pontificating on any one politician in particular just hand picking issues that deserve attention from our so called leaders, regardless of country.